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There is a community meeting planned for Dec 15th at 6:30 pm at the Corner Lakes Middle School Cafeteria. Address is 1700 Chuluota Road, Orlando, FL 32820. Click Rezoning #RZ-14-12-031 to view the meeting information.
Why should you absolutely attend this meeting?
This is part of the entitlements I briefly spoke about recently. This will add another 500 homes out on Lake Pickett Road which will add 1,000 cars to the already congested roadways. I live in University Estates on McCulloch Road so why should I care? The reason this is so important to me and should be to you is because this will put more commuters on the roadways and many of them aren’t taking 50 to get to work. They are taking alternate routes that circumvent 50 and one being McCulloch Road. Any East-West roadway is an alternative to 50 so if you travel these roads expect more time to get to work when these houses are built. And of course expect more traffic on 50 also.
The BCC will eventually vote on this zoning change and we need to be involved. Come to the meeting and express your concern about the existing infrastucture to the Orange County staff and stop development in this area until there is a concrete plan to fix it. We cannot allow what has gone on in the past to continue. It must change and we are the ones to change it.
First, some background you must know. These comments are factual and not intended on pointing blame in any direction. I think we are at this point more because of circumstances than fault. Personally, I should have been paying attention and been more involved years ago but the past is the past and we can only change what is to come.
East Orange County is unique and especially the area right around the Econ River. It is because the Econ is the dividing line between what is called the USA and the RSA. (http://rjmueller.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Accidents.jpg) The USA is the Urban Service Area where high density housing is allowed and the RSA is the Rural Service Area where only low density is allowed. Because many of the roads we travel out here are in the RSA, they are not improved to accommodate higher traffic. This is by design. These roads are not intended to carry heavy traffic. Just to the west of the Econ River is McCulloch, N. Tanner, Percival and parts of Lake Pickett Road. Over the years these roads have seen many sub-divisions built with little to no improvement to the roads. The only improvement other than a few traffic lights has been paving N. Tanner from Lake Pickett to Percival. But this improvement has hurt more than it has helped as it has given traffic that would otherwise travel on 50 an alternative route for commuters thus increasing the traffic on the rural roads. Now Hwy 50 is being expanded to 6 lanes from Dean to just past the bridge over the Econ but everyone knows this will not be enough to handle the traffic.
Fast forward to the present. I have heard Orange County staff and developers say many times that developers should not pay for improvements to roads that the development does not directly impact. In fact, I have been told that Governor Scott signed a bill that only allows local government to charge impact fees to developers that only pay for the direct impact the development has on the surrounding infrastructure. So when it comes to the Lake Pickett properties, when the developers build 5,000 homes they are only required to pay impact fees on the additional impact this traffic will have on the roads within a 2 mile radius of the property. This excludes Hwy 50 past Lake Pickett to the West and also McCulloch Road. And even roads in the impact area are only funded with the difference the impact causes which is by no means enough to do anything substantial that will positively improve traffic.
With that in mind, think about what has happened over the years. There have been many sub-divisions built just inside the USA that do not require BCC (Board of County Commissioners) approval because they are zoned appropriately so they are under the radar so to speak. Then out in Bithlo, there are sub-division like Corner Lakes that were allowed to be built because of “entitlements” given in 1991. From what I understand, in 1991 there was a deal made that “entitled” certain properties to be built at higher density. These properties are not completely built out yet which means there are more developments that can be built under the “entitlements” translating to more traffic. These properties do not require BCC approval.
Because of these factors every time a new development is built and no improvements are made to the roads, little by little, there are more cars on the roads clogging them up. Orange County has considered anything east of UCF rural so they have not allocated resources to the infrastructure in this area. This is why we find ourselves in this situation.
In a recent meeting a developer for the Lake Pickett properties made the remark that they should not have to pay to fix all the infrastructure issues out here. Yet they should be allowed to develop the properties. These are opposing viewpoints. This statement was confirmed by Orange County staff. OC Staff must follow the law but it begs the question. isn’t this thinking why we find ourselves in this situation. And if we let it continue, where does it finally end.
The big question is if the developer is not required to pay to fix the roads, who is? The only party left is Orange County. But Orange County admits they don’t have the money. Personally I have paid property taxes of about $3,500 per year for 22 years so in total about $77,000. I know this money goes to other places too but I have not seen any real improvements to the roads from my tax money and there are thousands of people out here like me. The only conclusion I can make is that our money has gone to other places in Orange County. It sort of makes me feel like the neglected stepchild of the family.
This cycle has to stop. The conclusion I have come to is that if the developer can’t or doesn’t want to pay to fix the roads and Orange County doesn’t have the money to fix the roads, we need to stop development until the roads are improved to accommodate the current level of traffic and then sensibly plan for the future. I see this no different as you would if you want to buy something you can’t afford. I would love to go out and buy a 2015 corvette but two things would happen. I would probably lose the car because I couldn’t pay for it or I would be living in the corvette because my wife would kick me out of the house. None of those two options appeal to me so I will continue driving my old 91 Dakota and be happy doing it. Now if I planned and saved for my 2015 corvette, I could probably afford it sometime in the future. We must stop this cycle and let infrastructure catch up with development but the only way it can be done is to stop building for a while and pay for improvements to the roads over time.
This idea is certainly not popular with developers as their business is to build. It is also not popular with the landowners because they feel it is their right to develop their property. It is certainly their right but if the property is zoned 1 house per 10 acres and they want 4 houses per acre, that is not their right. It must be approved by the BCC. We live here and many of us are long-term residents and because of that I feel we have gained a certain status and right to demand this area be developed the way we want it developed. I am not a transient and this is my home until I die. We must take this opportunity to improve our area and have a say in it’s future.
When we have the first meeting on March 2nd, 2015, I want to hear how Orange County plans on addressing this issue. There are other issues that are equally important but we can’t begin to talk about them until we solve this one.
I do want to make a point saying that I consider all of the folks in Orange County government as friends. I have met many of them over the past couple of years and find them all very professional and dedicated to their jobs. They are great people doing great things. I think it is a set of circumstances that got us here. I have also met landowners and developers and have the same feeling about them. They are doing what they can to accommodate us as residents yet trying to do business at the same time. We need to continue moving forward and all work together to solve this very difficult problem and come up with good solutions that work for all of us.
On November 20th, the UCF Board of Trustees met to adopt the 2015 Master Plan that spans from 2015 through 2025. If you want to know a little about the UCF Board of Trustees and when they meet, click here. Here is a link to the master plan documents. Here is a link to news about the master plan.
The format of the meeting was an introduction and then a public comment section followed by the adoption of the master plan. There were several homeowners from University Estates in attendance that spoke at the meeting. I wasn’t planning on speaking but I ended up speaking for my 3 minutes. Some homeowners and a board member from Regency Park were there also and spoke. The main topic from the homeowners was noise and light pollution. The plan called for a band practice field very close to the women’s softball stadium which is on the far each side of UCF property just south of the stadium. Thankfully, the BOT heard the homeowners and moved this field to the southwest side of UCF near the intramural fields.
There was also some discussion regarding a bar that was thought to be built outside on the east side of the stadium with the fear being noise from music. However as it was explained during the meeting, this was actually an extension of the existing bar that is inside the stadium on the west side that will be inside on the east side.
The issue of traffic did come up with a question prior to this meeting about extending Research Parkway to Tanner. UCF took the position that this is not inside UCF and is not a concern to them as far as the master plan is concerned. I know from experience that this is the overall position of UCF when it comes to roadways surrounding the university.
My personal feeling are that UCF is a good neighbor but I also feel that as UCF has grown exponentially and no matter how much they want to be a good neighbor the sheer magnitude of the university and number of people and moving parts does create issues with the surrounding communities. I think we are at a point where the surrounding communities have to communicate with UCF on a regular basis to let them know about the issues so UCF can take them into account.
Noise and light pollution are a factor but I also think traffic is a direct result of the growth of UCF. To cite a specific example, the intersection of Lockwood and McCulloch needs work. It is not right since it was modified to accomodate the Northview apartments when they were opened. Seminole County tried to fix it but the real fix is a right turn lane into UCF. The interesection now sits in a frozen state of needed changes.
As University Estates homeowners and considering the close proximity to UCF, we should spend more time understanding how UCF operates and ensure that UCF unerstands and takes into account our concerns.
On November 19th a few residents from East Orange County met with the county planning staff as well as representatives from the land owners for Lake Pickett North and South. This was a meeting initiated by Orange County Staff and the invitees were invited by Orange County Staff. The purpose of the meeting was to bring these individuals up to speed on what Orange County is thinking about in terms of how development will go forward in the county.
On a very important side note, be advised that the two applications for North and South Lake Pickett have been delayed until the 15-2 cycle.
At this point in time Orange County is deciding how to deal with these two applications. The decision is whether to deal with them both under the same text amendment and future land use map amendment or separate the two. This has yet to be determined.
As was said earlier, because of the timelines and because OC staff wants to make sure that there is adequate time for community involvement, these applications have been pushed back until the next cycle meaning that we will not have the first community meeting until March 2nd, 2015. Click here to view the timeline. This timeline is subject to change as events unfold.
The plan calls for a total of 4 community meeting with the first two focused on infrastructure. The other two are conceptual plans of the properties.
The first meeting is set for March 2nd, 2015.
We know there are serious traffic issues in East Orange County that need to be addressed. This is the crux of why the community is standing up now. So read the next post to understand all sides of the issue and decide for yourself what you would like to see occur.
Before you start my timer I want to say that I am continually amazed at the service I receive from Orange County when I make requests of the staff in every department. The level of customer service is outstanding and I am always greeted with smiles and a willingness to assist. Everyone I meet does an outstanding job and this time I want to give special thanks to Ruby Rozier in the traffic department for her help in gathering the information I am going to show you. Thank you for creating this atmosphere throughout the Orange County organization.
My name is Richard Mueller and I live at 14366 Stamford Circle, Orlando 32826.
Today I am here to talk about East Orange County and specifically the alarming amount of accidents on several roadway in the area. I know there are major developments in the application cycle now that if approved will add to this already escalating problem. Approving these developments without a concrete plan to accommodate the increased level of traffic that will be on the roadways before the shovels hit the ground would not be a responsible action.
This map shows accidents that have occurred over the past two years. The purple line is the dividing line between the USA and the RSA. This area is somewhat unique as the area I am showing you overlaps the USA and RSA so as a result the roads have not received the funding they deserves as most are in the RSA and improvements have not kept up with the demand.
I live on McCulloch Road in the subdivision of University Estates. In just two years on a one mile stretch of a 2-lane road there have been 105 accidents. I am here today to bring this severe safety issue to the forefront of your minds.
I want to highlight some key points on this map:
You might think that the accidents on McCulloch are mostly UCF traffic but that is not the case. All cars parked at UCF must have a parking sticker. I counted the stickers on the cars driving down McCulloch at rush hour and you might be surprised to hear that only 1 car in 10 have a sticker which means these are commuters going somewhere else. I believe these are people trying to avoid the jams on Hwy 50 and taking rural roads as an alternative route.
Another key point is the Hwy 50 expansion. We all know that once the 6-lane expansion is complete it will still not adequately accommodate the traffic demand. The key to fixing this whole traffic problem is to focus commuter traffic onto the main arterial roads and off the rural roads. To do that commuters must make the decision that it is faster and easier for them to take the main roads. 6-laning Hwy 50 will not accomplish this goal consequently keeping commuters on the rural roads.
You need money to fix the problem and as an uninformed casual observer, I was perplexed when I watched the segment on Orange TV of the Sept 23rd BCC meeting where it appeared the board effectively gave away $800,000 in impact fees by delaying the impact fee increase by 4 months. That money could have been used to help fix these roadways.
We need help out here in East Orange County and adding 5,000 more homes with commercial property is not going in the right direction. I would ask that we somehow find a way to allocate funding to fix our existing traffic issues before approving any more development.
- Community Meeting Alert – 12/15/2014 December 9, 2014
- Traffic and Infrastructure as a result of Development – a conclusion November 24, 2014
- UCF Board of Trustee meeting and Master Plan Adoption November 23, 2014
- Nov 19th Meeting with Orange County Planning Staff November 23, 2014
- Accidents in East Orange County – BCC meeting – 11/18/2014 November 16, 2014
- Lake Pickett Property Update November 13, 2014